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This question from reader Murray came to Joel Santo Domingo, PC Magazine Labs lead analyst for desktop PCs:

I am a long-time subscriber to PC Magazine, and read every issue cover-to-cover. Because I have always wanted to record HD TV programs over my Comcast cable to my PC, I saved this March 10, 2007 review by Joel Santo Domingo: "Dell XPS 410 with ATI TV Wonder Digital Cable Tuner." In this same time frame, Microsoft released the following "CableCARD and Digital Cable FAQ" at its Web site.

Well, it turns out that this technology has gone through some major hiccups during the past 10 months, as everyone has discovered that the problem is related to Digital Rights Management and is tightly controlled by Microsoft and Cable Labs, who license only certain manufacturers to use the CableCARD. It seems that these computer makers don't all have their acts together. There are several TV tuners on the market that allow reception of HDTV, but these are only for Over-The-Air broadcasting, not cable.

In anticipation of throwing out my hated Comcast set-top DVR and its horrible Guide, last month I bought a Dell XPS 410 with an ATI TV Wonder Digital Cable Tuner...



I called Comcast, who came to my house to install the CableCARD. Two technicians were at my house for over 6 hours, trying to make Media Center connect to the HD channels. The analog channels worked fine! I got Dell Tech Support on the phone, and [the rep] connected to my computer to watch the process. After trying 6 Motorola CableCARDS, it was finally decided that there must be a problem with the ATI tuner, so Dell shipped me another one. In the meantime, both the Comcast and Dell techs were going to research the problem.

After the new tuner arrived, the same two Comcast techs came out again, and we hooked up with the same Dell technician so he could watch the process. After 7 more hours, 13 Motorola CableCARDS, and still no success; everyone decided that it must somehow be a problem with the Dell computer. The Dell tech reluctantly arranged for a return, and I sent the XPS 410 back last week. Now I see that Dell has replaced the XPS 410 with the XPS 420, which does not even offer a HDTV Cable Tuner. In fact, Dell now offers none of these tuners, anywhere on its Web site!

Sony still advertises the VAIO XL3, which supports the CableCARD. The only problem is that the Web site now states in red letters, "This product is no longer available for purchase."

Even though HP, Velocity Micro, and Niveus Media still seem to be offering computers with the above technology, I am afraid to invest in this type of system right now. I'll bet I am not the only one in the dark here. What is going on? What have you heard?


Joel's answer:

CableCARD on PCs is a bleeding edge "version 1.0" technology, and in my experience, it's totally a "your mileage may vary" event. I had the benefit of having a Velocity Micro technician and Verizon FIOS techs on hand for my review, and even then it took the better part of two days for them to get it working right. Ultimately, I downgraded the system's overall score because of the hassle.

I'm glad you were able to return the XPS 410, since it gave you so much trouble. The XPS 410 I previewed in the article you quoted below was tested on Time Warner Cable in NYC. I've heard reports of it working on cable systems like Cox, and I've heard horror stories like yours.

Unfortunately, those horror stories usually involve multi-day install headaches, since CableCARD on MCE PC training is spotty at best in the Cable TV industry. I know that ATI has updated the firmware on the Digital Cable tuners several times over the past year.

The Sony XL3 has reached the end of its life, and I'm still waiting for the replacement. The Sony Vaio LT19U all-in-one PC has a CableCARD reader, but it's still the external ATI reader that has given some people so much trouble. Niveus has a "special relationship" with ATI and Microsoft, but I have yet to receive an updated CableCARD system from them.

I've since popped my CableCARDs into a TiVo HD, since I knew from talking to the Verizon FIOS Techs that they've never had a problem with TiVo Series 3 HD DVRs, or HDTVs with integrated CableCARD readers. For the record, I did my review with a review unit, but I liked it so much that I bought my own unit.

TiVo recently enabled TiVo to Go on the TiVo HD, so I can save recorded programs to my Windows desktop and Mac laptop with no degradation in quality. I highly recommend TiVo HD for people that are dissatisfied with both CableCARD on MCE PCs and their cable company's DVR.

I'm planning on revisiting CableCARDs on PCs in the new year, once ATI and Microsoft updates their hardware and software. --Joel Santo Domingo

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Posted by: Jorge
December 4, 2007 9:17 PM

I totally hear you on the frustation with CableCards, and hope it gets better because the technology is awesome. I bought an HP model with ATI digital tuner two months ago. I had some minor problems (first cablecard did not work; sometimes Vista will not recognize the card/tuner, needing a reboot). After getting the cable card replaced, COMCAST came over and did some wiring tests, resulting in new cable for most of my condo, and a signal amplifier (i have cable internet, long cabling and some splitters along the way to my cablecard). Ever since that day, i have had zero problems with my PC and cablecard and love the technology...except for the DRM that comes along with CableCard that prevents me from taking that content with me. I soon will install an over the air antenna for recording Local HD content (No DRM when recorded this way) so i can take it with me on the road. I also stream to an XBOX360 without problems. I will say that most COMCAST technicians are clueless with regards to this technology, and if you are not an enthusiast/power user, i would stay away.


Posted by: Lou
December 4, 2007 10:53 PM

I've read that by law, HD cable boxes with hard drive recording, must provide a firewire output to enable subscribers to record the programming externally. I've not researched this, but I have seen articles about using a MAC for this. Does anyone know how to do with with XP or VISTA and if it works well? And does DRM enter the picture?


Posted by: Gary
February 8, 2008 3:15 AM

DRM does enter the picture. I rented an HD DVR from comcast and it had a firewire port. I was able to transfer the information to my mac, but unable to play it back, as it was encrypted wit the broadcast flag or whatever.


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